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Blinkety blink..
Started at 04:23pm on the 9th August, 2017 by Exile
Exile Subject: Blinkety blink..
Little problem here for the more knowledgeable amongst us. I am no electrician.

1. My indicators are running at double speed.
2. The flash relay makes a lot of noise. (Buzzes)

All the lamps are working. Is it the relay that is dying?
A quick check in the shed; I put the bike on the battery charger, engine off, ignition on and tried the indicators. Still noise from the relay and still at double cadence....

I have a suspicion that my battery is not too good either. But that is easily solved....
2003 classic Bullet 500
Posted: 04:23pm 9th August, 2017
PeteF Subject: Blinkety blink..
Get an electronic relay, they don't care about voltage or amps within reason.
Posted: 04:28pm 9th August, 2017
Chris [Stockport] Subject: Blinkety blink..
How is it with the engine running?
Posted: 04:28pm 9th August, 2017
Exile Subject: Blinkety blink..
Engine seems to run OK.. I've been out on the bike today. I noticed the problem at a traffic light. Strangely enough, the engine cut out there. Started OK afterwards..
Posted: 04:58pm 9th August, 2017
Exile Subject: Blinkety blink..
At first, I thought I'd just blown a lamp.. which would give the same double tempo blink.. but no. All the lamps are OK and lighting..
Posted: 05:00pm 9th August, 2017
Mark M Subject: Blinkety blink..
It does sound like a failing flasher unit. I have had one do exactly this before it died!

REgards, Mark
Posted: 05:23pm 9th August, 2017
Alan R Subject: Blinkety blink..
Hi matey !!------- with the older, electro-mechanical relay the heat generated in the bi-metallic contact strip relied upon the correct wattage bulbs being in the circuit and thus giving sufficient resistance ( time ) to allow the strip to deflect its' full distance---cool off---re-set and the cycle repeating itself....If only one bulb blew or went "open circuit" ie a break in the circuit, then the resistance time would be halved and the flash frequency of the remaining bulb doubled..... I'm not fully acquainted with the electronic version but it would seem to me that if both L/H AND R/H are giving the same result then you have a fault in the flasher can rather than a blown bulb etc....Why not order a new can from our hosts anyway and whilst waiting you can try remembering your hand signals ---LoL !!
Posted: 10:32pm 9th August, 2017
Scalyback Subject: Blinkety blink..
Oh dear, yes hand signals...

You puy your left hand in,
your left hand out
you turn the handle bars
and a car gives you a clout,
you shout out 'Dopey mopey"
then you hit the ground,
That's what it's all about.

"Sorry, mate I didn't see you..."
"Sorry, mate I didn't see you..."
"Sorry, mate I didn't see you..."
Knee scarred, arms scraped, ow, ow OW!

Have fun!
Posted: 12:26am 10th August, 2017
Exile Subject: Blinkety blink..
I'll be ordering a new flasher relay/can/thingamajig then...!! Thanks for the replies lads. I'll let you know how it goes.
(Might be getting a new battery too... We'll see.)
Posted: 12:28am 10th August, 2017
Exile Subject: Blinkety blink..
I can't find any indicator relay in the Hitchcock catalogue. I may have found one locally. A two pin job that looks like an in and out connection.
As I said, I'm no electrician, so I went to the great internet to find a circuit diagram.
Does this accurately portray the circuit on a 500 bullet? If so, I'll get cracking. Thanks in advance for comments.

Posted: 01:26pm 10th August, 2017
Alan R Subject: Blinkety blink..
Hi SCALEY ........ A poet, and he didn't know it !!....Nice one son...EXILE try this}---- Parts Book Online, 500cc Indian Bullets, 2003 500cc Bullet ( 4-speed, Kick Start ), page 41- Switches and fitments = part No.5 = Item No.580396 Indicator unit at £10.50
Posted: 09:03am 11th August, 2017
Exile Subject: Blinkety blink..
Thanks Alan, you're a star...
Posted: 11:34am 11th August, 2017
Scalyback Subject: Blinkety blink..
Hi Alan, Poet and didn't know it??? try this link... Scaly's Royal Enfield poetry and writings. There's nothing else in the world like it!

Anyway, I have an electronic flasher and after repairing Tornado's broken indicator wire onsite at the war & peace show, I think rain got in to the joint. The next day, the indicator was flashing double speed (all bulbs working) and has so ever since!

Scalyback for ever!
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Posted: 07:16pm 11th August, 2017
Alan R Subject: Blinkety blink..
Hi SCALY---- yes, I remember your poetic forthcomings from our earlier days on this forum---jolly good too !!...I think I'm correct when I say that MoT regulations call for a flasher frequency of 60 to 120 per min ( once or twice a second ).Have a look at this}------ http://www.ukmot.com/manual/1.4/Flashing-Type#MOT ( Reason for rejection....2g )--------- .Uh-oh, I've just thought}--- I hope that doesn't give "Certain Gentlemen in long raincoats" any ideas ?? Can you imagine that ??---Trying to operate your flasher-mac at 120 times a min ?---You'd look like Batman on steroids !!...Blinkety-Blink indeed..
Posted: 01:09am 12th August, 2017
Scalyback Subject: Blinkety blink..
Exile, Indicators with two tell tales are simple, but I guess your bullet has one? that circuit gets very much more complicated.

however, the flasher unit is wired the same, so go grab one (Get electronic, then you can change the rear bulbs for LED. (don't change all four or the tell tale will not work. do not use led tell tale unless it says it is dual polarity.)
Posted: 10:11am 12th August, 2017
Scalyback Subject: Blinkety blink..
Alan R, Another thing you have probably missed out on... I very sadly cocked up and had to sell Thunderbolt, a decision that still has a sad feeling, but...I ended up buying 'Kevin' a 1959 Meteor Minor De Luxe in stunning showroom condition, however, being me as I am, I had to add something for my safety, and how do you do that in keeping with a 1950's motorcycle... Watch and delight in my type of eccentricities!.



Scalyback for ever!
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Posted: 07:35pm 12th August, 2017
Alan R Subject: Blinkety blink..
Dear SCALYBACK------------well that had me in stitches and no mistake !!----Brilliant , absolutely brilliant !!...Being ex-Navy two things sprang to mind}---a) Morning physical jerks with the duty PTI on a cold , windswept Parade Ground near the Forth Estuary, Scotland and b) With a tear in my eye in memory of the old Semaphore Signalling system.....
Posted: 10:23pm 12th August, 2017

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