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Struggle still with Albion Kick spring installion
Started at 08:28pm on the 28th February, 2018 by Gordon
Gordon Subject: Struggle still with Albion Kick spring installion
Forgive me reiterating this issue from a year or two ago as several of you kindly responded but can't find original query. Anyway, have since fabricated a tubular tool to wind the kick spring up on this '50 Albion gearbox. However, spring bunched up, and will not let the new cap cusp to catch on the kick starter ledge. Have two or three new springs, all the same height,Correct dimensions when not wounded back. Even recessed the aluminun a tad where the the spring is on the gearbox's inner cover. but no avail. Friends are weary helping me after wasting hours of struggle. I may add am only winding the spring back one turn now, less than the recommended Thanxs , Laqs for any fresh insight
Posted: 08:28pm 28th February, 2018
tribonnie Subject: Struggle still with Albion Kick spring installion
Hello, yes have spent many hours with this. Best I can offer is to remove the end float on the kickstart shaft so that the shaft fully locates into the D shape in the cup. Most of the trouble I had was keeping the shaft in the D hole when assembling the cover and kickstart. Also a washer on the shaft between the kickstart and the cup so it can’t “slip out” when working. Richard
Posted: 08:59am 1st March, 2018
Gordon Subject: Struggle still with Albion Kick spring installion
Richard, grateful your response. Had tried fitting wound spring like you had with outer cover removed. but just a slight tremble, and D cup will spring off on reassembling cover. Fabricated tool makes winding the spring dead easy. but obscures viewing the D cup's actual position. Kick shaft ledge has a tendency to slip backwards a few degrees from the ledge being perfectly horizontal, so it is guesswork to know if the cup's flat edge is more or less right. Will however check the kick shaft's end float. Have had a suitable washer on hand to slip on shaft before kick pedal. Gordon
Posted: 08:01pm 1st March, 2018
vince Subject: Struggle still with Albion Kick spring installion
Hi, I always assemble the d shape first so it goes well onto the shaft and with kick start holding it on I then wind the spring loop end around until the bolt can be inserted in the case. That way the spring bunching up is avoided. Then its remove kickstart and fit the case over and secure. Vince
Posted: 09:27am 2nd March, 2018
Mark M Subject: Struggle still with Albion Kick spring installion
My advice from the previous post is this: The D shaped opening in the cup must be in as-new condition, no burring or wear. If it is not you will struggle to fit it and each time it pings off more damage will occur leading to a vicious circle. Buy a new one from our Hosts. If you have already, and are still having problems, my apologies!

REgards, Mark
Posted: 10:30am 2nd March, 2018
Gordon Subject: Struggle still with Albion Kick spring installion
Thanxs, Vince, yoor method offers a ray of hope at last. Will start with a fresh spring as warped two already with the previous struggles. Mark, bought a new D cup on your advice long ago when realized how futile it was working with a worn one. Also had been working with outer cover fitted and then winding up spring, so will try Vince's method.in a few days, and report further. Sorry previous query and advice given then was lost. Gordon
Posted: 03:28pm 2nd March, 2018
Mark M Subject: Struggle still with Albion Kick spring installion
No problem Gordon. I just had a thought; there should be a hardened thrust washer behind the kickstart spindle (part no. H21A?) which might take up the end float you are experiencing? This washer is often lost during previous rebuilds/ham fisted ownership by juniors!

REgards, Mark
Posted: 03:58pm 2nd March, 2018
Gordon Subject: Struggle still with Albion Kick spring installion
Mark, Actually 'end float' was the kick shaft viewed at the end. Cup ledge is level at 12.00 o'clock, but slips back to 11.50 with the juggling. This should be no problem with Vince's method, as kick pedal can keep shaft level with one's knee. Good opportunity to ask you which bolt position is best for the spring's retention. WD350 manual with same g/box seems to show bottom R/hand one? Meanwhile, have empathy with you all re UK's snow lock down followed closely on BBC videos, no 'bikes glimpsed on the stalled motorways. Thank you
Posted: 08:16pm 2nd March, 2018
Scalyback Subject: Struggle still with Albion Kick spring installion
I am confused. Is it a HIM-A-LAY-AN, or a HIM-AR-LI-AN
?

Scalyback for ever!
REOC 15084

Tabellarius de verbis. Ostensor gaudium
Posted: 10:13pm 3rd March, 2018
Chris [Stockport] Subject: Struggle still with Albion Kick spring installion
From what I've heard on the interweb, it's:

UK: Him-a-LAY-an
USA: hi-MAAAAA-lyn

Any more?
Posted: 10:49pm 3rd March, 2018
Mark M Subject: Struggle still with Albion Kick spring installion
Gordon, my k/s spring is anchored on the bolt bottom right. Another thought, the alloy extension of the inner cover which carries the kickstart shaft on these boxes is prone to cracking, is this the possible cause of your excess lateral movement? And Scaly and Chris it's not pronounced any variant of HIMaaaLYaan, it's pronounced 'fugly'. I actually like the bike but quite how it ended up being so badly 'styled' is a mystery since the parent company went to the lengths of buying a UK design agency! Or maybe that's it?

REgards, Mark
Posted: 08:21am 4th March, 2018
ric Subject: Struggle still with Albion Kick spring installion
it all comes down to choice
him or lea anne
Posted: 09:53am 4th March, 2018
ric Subject: Struggle still with Albion Kick spring installion
dnam autocorrek

it's either Him or lay Anne
Posted: 09:55am 4th March, 2018
Gordon Subject: Struggle still with Albion Kick spring installion
Mark, great you confirmed the retention bolt bolt position. Will check inner case for potential cracks later next week Not sure what triggered the cryptic risque Himalayan hijack, but least there're not angry like elsewhere !. Carry on.
Posted: 03:16pm 4th March, 2018

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