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Super Meteor front brake
Started at 05:36pm on the 1st March, 2018 by Davedup
Davedup Subject: Super Meteor front brake
Hi folks, the front brake on my '59 Super Meteor would be less wooden if make of oak. Before/after I strip and deglaze the hub and shoes, if there anything else worth trying doing? It's the two sided brake. Thanks Dave
Posted: 05:36pm 1st March, 2018
Adrian Subject: Super Meteor front brake
If your brake linings are OK and the drum is still perfectly round on both sides, a proper strip and clean followed by careful reassembly (and a new set of cables from out hosts) should be a big help. My old '57 Bullet with the same front brake wasn't wooden but partly seized up when I bought the bike (drums starting to rust and cams very stiff in the backplate), after a bit of TLC it worked surprisingly well.

A.
Posted: 12:11am 2nd March, 2018
Adrian Subject: Super Meteor front brake
If you REALLY fancy a bit of work it is possible to do a 4 leading shoe conversion with that front brake!

A.
Posted: 12:14am 2nd March, 2018
Mark M Subject: Super Meteor front brake
It is essential that the cam bush housings on these brakes are allowed to float. The steel bushings in the brakeplate should have special bolts, wave washers and nuts which, during adjustment, permit the bush to float while the brakes are applied and then the bolts are just nipped up with a spanner. While your brake is apart, check the online Parts Book for your model to see that you have the correct components installed. If you have the early type pressed steel shoes throw them away and fit the later alloy type; the steel ones flex in use and do not sit true on the cam and fixed pivot. Also pay careful attention to the angle of the cam levers and even adjustment and routing of the twin cables. This brake will never match the instant 'attack' of later larger drum brakes but it can work well, the one on my 1953 Meteor was capable of locking the front wheel with sufficient lever pressure! Your braking technique may need to be a bit more 1950s too, the rear brake is very good and pilots of the day used more rear and less front than modern bikes.

REgards, Mark
Posted: 08:21am 2nd March, 2018
Davedup Subject: Super Meteor front brake
Thank you all for your posts. Careful stripping and checking (and against the parts book!) it is! I'll let you know how it goes (not until it warms up a bit though!) Dave
Posted: 09:37am 2nd March, 2018
Rasp Subject: Super Meteor front brake
Adrian, have you got drawings, measurements or photos of the 4 leading shoe conversion?
Posted: 04:27pm 4th March, 2018
Adrian Subject: Super Meteor front brake
Sadly, not much - photos were on the French RE forum, but the picture hosting website that they were using tends to dump their images after 12 months if no-one looks at them, and I only managed to find this one still up.



As far as I remember the clever French guy responsible used custom brake plates machined from solid alloy, cams and cut-down linkages from a couple of Indian Bullet TLS brakes and two sets of modified 6" alloy brake shoes.

I could send him a message on the French forum and see if he still has all the info if anyone is interested.

A.
Posted: 10:17pm 4th March, 2018
Adrian Subject: Super Meteor front brake
Try again.

4lsconversion.jpg

Posted: 10:19pm 4th March, 2018
Adrian Subject: Super Meteor front brake
One more go, it doesn't seem to like my html code.

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Posted: 10:22pm 4th March, 2018
Adrian Subject: Super Meteor front brake
How embarrassing.

One of these should get you to it.

http://www.imageupload.co.uk/images/2018/03/04/4lsconversionf5048.jpg

http://www.imageupload.co.uk/image/EmM6

Posted: 10:27pm 4th March, 2018
vince Subject: Super Meteor front brake
Hi, I remember seeing similar back in the 70s available from deeprose bros, the brake cams were curved on one side and flat on the other to fit standard shoes. The photo would appear to show no floating pivots so could be adapted India backplates. Vince
Posted: 10:29pm 4th March, 2018
Adrian Subject: Super Meteor front brake
No, on this one they were definitely custom machined back plates - the Redditch double-sided drums are only 6" in diameter, the Indian TLS are 7"
Posted: 10:47pm 4th March, 2018
Mark M Subject: Super Meteor front brake
There are 6" TLS Indian brake plates out there. They are rare but I've seen the odd one come up on Ebay for instance. There is a question over whether you could fit one on the right side as these plates are 'handed'. Here's a thought, if you only had one, could you fit it and have a TLS on one side and a SLS on the other? It would be no worse than having a large drum brake working through the torque stay on just one side? Just thinking aloud!

REgards, Mark
Posted: 08:47am 5th March, 2018
Rasp Subject: Super Meteor front brake
Thanks for the photo and the information.
Posted: 09:05am 5th March, 2018
Adrian Subject: Super Meteor front brake
You're welcome.

I don't know if our French friend was aware of the ultra-rare Indian 6" 2LS brake, but I think if I had the skills and tooling I'd want to make a mirror-image matched pair of back plates from scratch. You could be waiting a long time for another 6" TLS brake to show up.

A.
Posted: 10:14am 5th March, 2018
Davedup Subject: Super Meteor front brake
Interesting photos, thanks for sharing. Dave
Posted: 06:36pm 13th March, 2018

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